Let's begin by being confused. New home sales in June fell by 4%. New home sales in July grew by 2.8%. The lending industry is going through some critical times right now, and nobody seems to know where this will all lead.
New construction at Ponte Vista may be more than a year away. The CAC was told that the Planning Department might need "6 months" working with Bisno Development to come up with the number of units the Planning Department will recommend be built at the northwest San Pedro site.
As far as the public goes, the Planning Department has been very tight-lip about what they feel the density of the project should be and disclosing any rumors about what they may be thinking about is not something we should do, at this time.
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Does San Pedro "need" more new housing? I wish somebody in an objective manner would provide information about whether San Pedro and the rest of OUR community actually need new housing for residents, and especially if there is really a "need" for more senior housing in the area.
I have included several compromise ideas that I have had suggesting that there is definitely a "want" for senior housing in San Pedro. I have listed several ideas about adding more senior housing at Ponte Vista, but that can't really happen with R1, which is now what I support.
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All of us know where "The Monster" is being built and how Seaport Luxury Homes seemed to slip through the cracks and get approved. This particular issues has provided all of us a very valuable lesson in that we must not have blinders on and let even 136-unit developments slip by our watchful eyes.
Highland Park is PROBABLY coming. This 134-unit project of patio-style homes being proposed by J.C.C. Homes may be built on the site of the old Kinder-Morgan facility on north Gaffey Street.
Kinder-Morgan will not transfer the site to J.C.C. Homes unless and until the site is determined to be completely free of any and all remnants of the old facility and all the post demolition test prove there will be not environmental hazards left in and around that property.
You can not set up a time-lapse camera system and photograph the processes of demolition and construction that will lead us to find a brand new Target store on north Gaffey as well.
It needs to be remembered that both J.C.C. Homes and the folks representing the construction of the new Target worked closely with the Northwest San Pedro Neighborhood Council. All the efforts by everyone dealing with the local area, the new home site, and the new Target worked to try and find the best results for any problems that may occur in the future. Both Target and J.C.C. Homes were very responsive to the Neighborhood Council area in which they will be located in.
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Sadly, we must continue to report that the folks at Ponte Vista have not shared similar wishes to involve the Neighborhood Council more directly or as well as these two other development companies have done.
It now looks like the developer for Ponte Vista is more adversarial in its dealings with the Neighborhood Council and the area where such a big project is proposed. I would think that Bob and his staff would be working harder to understand and deal with all the issues, rather than taking such a defensive position.
One would imagine that if Ponte Vista is really such a good thing for OUR community, their organization would not have to be so defensive and secretive about the project.
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Remember when Bob proclaimed he would furnish all the information about his 2,300-unit plan, including a public disclosure of the number of bedrooms in that particular proposal. I haven't seen such a public document and I bet nobody else has, either.
If you visit the Ponte Vista Web site, you will not be able to find any illustration of the smallest floor plan that will probably be proposed in the 1,950-unit development, and I still can't find any numbers of units broken down by size, type, and number of bedrooms, if any. The smallest unit illustrated is approximately 800 square feet and the "studio" as illustrated is approximately 850 square feet, according to the illustration.
If you were to visit the Centre Street Lofts Web site, you can view illustrations of the units floor by floor and the smallest units illustrated are about 150 square feet larger than what Bob has in his proposal for Ponte Vista.
You also might want to remember that no new residential development in the area is selling like "hot cakes" and the Lofts have offered buyer incentives to try and lure buyers. Having two years worth of HOA fees and dues paid for as an incentive, is not such a bad thing, in my opinion.
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When Bob proclaims that his vision for Ponte Vista means a beautiful place, he is not kidding.
We toured an apartment complex located on MacArthur Blvd. in Newport Beach that Bob is basing his illustrations on, and I strongly believe everyone was very impressed with the quality of construction and the way the development looked and the amenities offered at that 1100-unit development.
However, how beautiful it could be, and how wonderful of a place it may be to live, plucking down a development about 175% larger then Newport Village on a main arterial of a peninsula, simply makes absolutely no real sense, I feel, and can only lead toward dire consequences if a 1,950-unit project is approved.
I know for a fact that many, many Ponte Vista supporters cringe at the idea of placing 1,950 units in northwest San Pedro. So many of them feel that the plans are just too large for the area.
There may be only about 50% of the folks claiming support for Bob's Ponte Vista that would like to see any more than 1,500-units, and if the survey Bob tried used lower total numbers of units, the support for those lower numbers would grow.
Friday, August 24, 2007
Thursday, August 23, 2007
The CAC Report is Final, What's Next?
The title of this post says it all.
For all of us interested in R Neighborhoods Are 1, everything else is next. We all need to keep focused on what the movement is calling for as we await what the L.A. City Planning Department will report as their recommendations for the density of the Ponte Vista at San Pedro project.
Not only is our movement not ending, slowing down, or going onto any "back burner" we are going, growing, and becoming included in the real movement that has definitely begun demanding a better look at over development in the entire L.A. area.
Newspaper articles, opinion pieces, postings in various blogs and other information sources have indicated that the greater L.A. area is finding more activists who are willing to push forward ideas that state that a very large number of residents are fed up with "weapons of mass development" and are willing to become active in trying to slow down that "machine" that is big developments by greedy developers.
In the City of Los Angeles, Neighborhood Councils are becoming much more active in questioning whether they truly represent the folks in their Council areas who are demanding at least a slow down to all the development currently going on in the City. For stakeholders and others, the Neighborhood Council system, working alongside Homeowner Associations and other groups will become the forefront that will help regular residents have a much stronger voice in City government, if they support those organizations.
Since the recent election at Central San Pedro Neighborhood Council, I am growing more pleased to see that San Pedro may have three strong Neighborhood Councils that together, will help OUR community join growing efforts to challenge big developments.
We will probably see, sometime in September, that what I wrote about, will finally come true.
Central San Pedro Neighborhood Council passed a resolution supporting a multi-family development in northwest San Pedro, but it did not, as their President claimed, endorsed Bob Bisno's Ponte Vista at San Pedro. The resolution passed was not an endorsement of Ponte Vista and that Ponte Vista at San Pedro will need to stop claiming that one Neighborhood Council in San Pedro "endorses Ponte Vista".
It is little issues like that which adds information and resources to the battles many of us are having with over development. When taken individually, they probably don't mean much. Adding the little "beans" together does create a hill that will demonstrate that OUR community, along with other communities, can have an influence on what may happen in the greater L.A. area.
R Neighborhoods Are 1 will continue to seek and welcome signatures on R1 petitions. There is absolutely no need to curtail efforts in gathering signatures. In fact, the more signatures that are collected not only demonstrates to local leaders that keeping Ponte Vista with its current zoning density is important, it also is a great tool that can be exported to other communities faced with over development, to provide them with the incentive that they are not alone in their battles and there are other communities that are willing to take a stand, demonstrate a will, and "just say no!" to too many units in too small an area.
As R Neighborhoods Are 1 moves forward and outward, the movement will continue to need all of your support. There will come a time when we will ask volunteers to attend meetings of various City Departments and Commissions, and we will need funds to hire buses to move the volunteers. Everyone is welcome to join in attending Planning Department and Planning Commission meetings and it is important that you attend and voice your opinions to the bureaucrats who have our futures in their hands.
There will probably come a time when many buses will need to be hired to convey volunteers to L.A. City Hall when the City Council deliberates and votes on motions concerning Ponte Vista and possibly other mass development issues. Hiring buses takes money and your contributions are greatly appreciated.
If an when any decision is made that requires the hiring of lawyers to benefit our movement, that is really going to take a huge effort to fund the folks who are hired to protect us.
But volunteering funds is only part of what our members can do. We can all talk, write, and create an environment where we share our experiences and wishes with others throughout this large area we call "Los Angeles". If you only have friends in OUR community, you can always converse with them about Ponte Vista and other over development issues.
If you have friends and family living on the west side of L.A., you probably have already heard from them the horror stories about over development in their area. Finding common voices in many areas means that we can learn to share ideas and join ever-growing efforts to slow down or stop developments which lower our quality of life.
The CAC report is final. Three recommendations have been put forward. The first motion was to completely rebuke Bob Bisno's current plans for the 61.53 acres of land in northwest San Pedro. The second recommendation calls for allowing for a density equal to the density of R1 housing. The third recommendation, made by a minority of the CAC membership, we for a mixed-use, multi-family development at Ponte Vista where the MAJORITY of the units were for senior housing.
Nothing coming from the members of the CAC came anywhere near what Bob Bisno has been steadfastly proclaiming, and the CAC represented us, in OUR community.
For R Neighborhoods Are 1, the work will not end. Now that we have demonstrated that we are a movement that must be dealt with, it also means that we must move forward, with renewed energy and purpose, and join with others to form an even larger movement to question over development, slow down the developers, and make clear to everyone that we will not allow greedy developers to have their wishes come true at our expense.
For all of us interested in R Neighborhoods Are 1, everything else is next. We all need to keep focused on what the movement is calling for as we await what the L.A. City Planning Department will report as their recommendations for the density of the Ponte Vista at San Pedro project.
Not only is our movement not ending, slowing down, or going onto any "back burner" we are going, growing, and becoming included in the real movement that has definitely begun demanding a better look at over development in the entire L.A. area.
Newspaper articles, opinion pieces, postings in various blogs and other information sources have indicated that the greater L.A. area is finding more activists who are willing to push forward ideas that state that a very large number of residents are fed up with "weapons of mass development" and are willing to become active in trying to slow down that "machine" that is big developments by greedy developers.
In the City of Los Angeles, Neighborhood Councils are becoming much more active in questioning whether they truly represent the folks in their Council areas who are demanding at least a slow down to all the development currently going on in the City. For stakeholders and others, the Neighborhood Council system, working alongside Homeowner Associations and other groups will become the forefront that will help regular residents have a much stronger voice in City government, if they support those organizations.
Since the recent election at Central San Pedro Neighborhood Council, I am growing more pleased to see that San Pedro may have three strong Neighborhood Councils that together, will help OUR community join growing efforts to challenge big developments.
We will probably see, sometime in September, that what I wrote about, will finally come true.
Central San Pedro Neighborhood Council passed a resolution supporting a multi-family development in northwest San Pedro, but it did not, as their President claimed, endorsed Bob Bisno's Ponte Vista at San Pedro. The resolution passed was not an endorsement of Ponte Vista and that Ponte Vista at San Pedro will need to stop claiming that one Neighborhood Council in San Pedro "endorses Ponte Vista".
It is little issues like that which adds information and resources to the battles many of us are having with over development. When taken individually, they probably don't mean much. Adding the little "beans" together does create a hill that will demonstrate that OUR community, along with other communities, can have an influence on what may happen in the greater L.A. area.
R Neighborhoods Are 1 will continue to seek and welcome signatures on R1 petitions. There is absolutely no need to curtail efforts in gathering signatures. In fact, the more signatures that are collected not only demonstrates to local leaders that keeping Ponte Vista with its current zoning density is important, it also is a great tool that can be exported to other communities faced with over development, to provide them with the incentive that they are not alone in their battles and there are other communities that are willing to take a stand, demonstrate a will, and "just say no!" to too many units in too small an area.
As R Neighborhoods Are 1 moves forward and outward, the movement will continue to need all of your support. There will come a time when we will ask volunteers to attend meetings of various City Departments and Commissions, and we will need funds to hire buses to move the volunteers. Everyone is welcome to join in attending Planning Department and Planning Commission meetings and it is important that you attend and voice your opinions to the bureaucrats who have our futures in their hands.
There will probably come a time when many buses will need to be hired to convey volunteers to L.A. City Hall when the City Council deliberates and votes on motions concerning Ponte Vista and possibly other mass development issues. Hiring buses takes money and your contributions are greatly appreciated.
If an when any decision is made that requires the hiring of lawyers to benefit our movement, that is really going to take a huge effort to fund the folks who are hired to protect us.
But volunteering funds is only part of what our members can do. We can all talk, write, and create an environment where we share our experiences and wishes with others throughout this large area we call "Los Angeles". If you only have friends in OUR community, you can always converse with them about Ponte Vista and other over development issues.
If you have friends and family living on the west side of L.A., you probably have already heard from them the horror stories about over development in their area. Finding common voices in many areas means that we can learn to share ideas and join ever-growing efforts to slow down or stop developments which lower our quality of life.
The CAC report is final. Three recommendations have been put forward. The first motion was to completely rebuke Bob Bisno's current plans for the 61.53 acres of land in northwest San Pedro. The second recommendation calls for allowing for a density equal to the density of R1 housing. The third recommendation, made by a minority of the CAC membership, we for a mixed-use, multi-family development at Ponte Vista where the MAJORITY of the units were for senior housing.
Nothing coming from the members of the CAC came anywhere near what Bob Bisno has been steadfastly proclaiming, and the CAC represented us, in OUR community.
For R Neighborhoods Are 1, the work will not end. Now that we have demonstrated that we are a movement that must be dealt with, it also means that we must move forward, with renewed energy and purpose, and join with others to form an even larger movement to question over development, slow down the developers, and make clear to everyone that we will not allow greedy developers to have their wishes come true at our expense.
Friday, August 10, 2007
What's New, What's Next?
The Rudderless Steering Committee of R Neighborhoods Are 1 met Thursday evening and will continue efforts to help bring beautiful single-family homes on R1 sized lots to all of Ponte Vista at San Pedro.
Folks, just because many of us feel we have won Round One in our battle to save San Pedro and the rest of OUR community, we all know that it is only the beginning and we are NOT going anywhere but into Round Two and each and every future round, if necessary.
Here are some of the items discussed at last night's meeting: (What's New)
R1 Petitions:
Every signature counts, every signature is appreciated, and new signatures are required. We will still be at selected sites to gather signatures on R1 petitions. We are continuing to encourage everyone to visit http://www.rneighborhoodsare1.org/ and get news and information, and also download more R1 petitions to get even more folks to sign up to save OUR community.
We all need to continue to be visible throughout OUR community and support R1 NO COMPROMISE, especially since Bob is not even considering any real compromise to his outrageous plans.
Fund Raising:
Bob is rich and his companies have funds to work his way through L.A. City Government. Bob seems to be willing to spend whatever he wants to spend attempting to saddle all of us with a development that is so out of proportion to the rest of OUR community, that is MUST NOT be approved of.
R Neighborhoods Are 1 is an all volunteer organization. Nobody gets one penny of compensation, other than reimbursement of expenses they have funded themselves, if they want to.
Every single button associated with R1 or opposing Bob's plans have been donated to the cause, both in material expenses and time making each and every button.
Now that Round One seems to have gone our way, we need to really start collecting funds to support the rounds that are assuredly coming up.
R neighborhoods are 1
1536 W. 25th St. #223
San Pedro CA 90732-4415
We need to start saving real funds for buses to get our members and others interested in really saving OUR community, to downtown Los Angeles, when it is time. We need to provide lots of reasonable, realistic, responsible, and respectful individuals like yourself to go with us and let the City Government and City Departments know that we demand R1 NO COMPROMISE at Ponte Vista.
Buses and their drivers cost money to hire. This is one item in which your contributions will be greatly appreciated.
R neighborhoods are 1
1536 W. 25th St. #223
San Pedro CA 90732-4415
Bob is rich and his companies have money to fight for what he wants. His legal team is made up of some of the best lawyers and legal firms, anywhere.
There will come a time when R Neighborhoods Are 1 will need to hire lawyers to help in our fight to save OUR community. Legal fees are high and hiring attorneys is very expensive.
It is now time to begin a great effort in seeking contributions to hire lawyers on OUR behalf. I may be sometime before we need them to come on board, but the costs that will be incurred mean we cannot start soon enough, and now is the time.
R neighborhoods are 1
1536 W. 25th St. #223
San Pedro CA 90732-4415
According to the Web Master at www.rneighborhoodsare1.org, there will be links established for contributors to provide much needed funds via the Internet, on that site.
Blight:
Many individuals believe Bob Bisno has made deliberate attempts to make the Ponte Vista site more blighted in order to demonstrate, somehow, that he needs to improve the land.
Everyone driving along Western between Avenida Aprenda and P.V. Drive North, is stuck looking at a site that looks purposely blighted and destroyed.
How much vermin, varmints, and polluted water is on that site, now? How can the developer get away with causing such a site in OUR community.
What does the L.A. City Health Department and/or other City Departments think about the site?
Shouldn't Bob be required to eliminate all the blight and restore the area to the condition it was before anything was built there, so long ago?
The blight at Ponte Vista lowers home values of everyone living in the area, whether they live in San Pedro or R.P.V. Why should these residents be negatively impacted so that Bob can make it look like he "needs" to have new construction built at Ponte Vista?
It is time for residents along Fitness Drive, in The Gardens, down in the Westmont neighborhood, and folks living west of Western Avenue who have as their views the blighted Ponte Vista site, to individually and collectively call on Bob Bisno and the City of Los Angeles to do something about what is now seen at the site.
If Bob won't mitigate the blight, what makes anyone believe he will truly mitigate anything else?
Moving Forward: (What's Next)
We have had our chance to savor what many believe is a victory over Bob and his plans. It is true that the CAC surprised us all with their recommendations, and it looks like the majority of the members of the CAC are on the side of OUR community.
But we all must realize that there is still much to do. We need to continue to volunteer our time, money, thoughts, and efforts all the way through the many steps that still are in the future.
There are still many bumper stickers left and the button making process will continue. We are looking for real interest in folks who truly want yard signs. Even though the Steering Committee has decided to curtail, for the time being, buying any more yard signs, if folks really want them, I suggest they contact R Neighborhoods Are 1, or a Steering Committee member and let us know that it is important to OUR community to continue to provide yard signs.
Your added contributions could also support acquiring more yard signs.
R neighborhoods are 1
1536 W. 25th St. #223
San Pedro CA 90732-4415
Your Rudderless Steering Committee is becoming more involved in reaching out to other areas in the greater Los Angeles Area. Over development is not special to northwest San Pedro and there is a need for all of us to come together and fight developers, all over the area, who want to change how we live, work, and play.
Bob and his bunch have reached out all over the area and we also need to let our movement grow. Including others in our fight means we include ourselves in others' fight for THEIR communities.
As we spread our message, perhaps you have family members and friends fighting for THEIR communities. We need to let these wonderful people know that we want to include them in the greater struggles we are all having, against over development and quality of life issues.
It is not wrong to talk to others about shared problems. combining forces into a greater cause can't be wrong, and you know that.
Moving forward also means moving farther. Providing our message to more people in the desert that is Los Angeles also means that we will no longer be ignored as the community at the end of the world, as far as L.A. goes.
With the very thin strip of land that connects San Pedro to the rest of the City of L.A., San Pedro always seems to be the dangling end of something much bigger. San Pedro get shorted in so many way. Connecting people in other parts of Los Angeles means that we remove that little ribbon of land that separates San Pedro and OUR community from the rest of the area.
Moving forward also means that R Neighborhoods Are 1 should be taken very seriously by governments, politicians, bureaucrats, developers, and everyone else who thought we were just a "rabble" bunch of "ranting elitists".
You all have helped us greatly in stating to everyone that we are here, we are strong, and we will be listened to, no matter what Bob and all the B.s. (Bisno supporters) that surround him say.
Strength in numbers and strength in convictions says to everyone that our members do have a say in what happens in their lives and OUR community.
Folks, just because many of us feel we have won Round One in our battle to save San Pedro and the rest of OUR community, we all know that it is only the beginning and we are NOT going anywhere but into Round Two and each and every future round, if necessary.
Here are some of the items discussed at last night's meeting: (What's New)
R1 Petitions:
Every signature counts, every signature is appreciated, and new signatures are required. We will still be at selected sites to gather signatures on R1 petitions. We are continuing to encourage everyone to visit http://www.rneighborhoodsare1.org/ and get news and information, and also download more R1 petitions to get even more folks to sign up to save OUR community.
We all need to continue to be visible throughout OUR community and support R1 NO COMPROMISE, especially since Bob is not even considering any real compromise to his outrageous plans.
Fund Raising:
Bob is rich and his companies have funds to work his way through L.A. City Government. Bob seems to be willing to spend whatever he wants to spend attempting to saddle all of us with a development that is so out of proportion to the rest of OUR community, that is MUST NOT be approved of.
R Neighborhoods Are 1 is an all volunteer organization. Nobody gets one penny of compensation, other than reimbursement of expenses they have funded themselves, if they want to.
Every single button associated with R1 or opposing Bob's plans have been donated to the cause, both in material expenses and time making each and every button.
Now that Round One seems to have gone our way, we need to really start collecting funds to support the rounds that are assuredly coming up.
R neighborhoods are 1
1536 W. 25th St. #223
San Pedro CA 90732-4415
We need to start saving real funds for buses to get our members and others interested in really saving OUR community, to downtown Los Angeles, when it is time. We need to provide lots of reasonable, realistic, responsible, and respectful individuals like yourself to go with us and let the City Government and City Departments know that we demand R1 NO COMPROMISE at Ponte Vista.
Buses and their drivers cost money to hire. This is one item in which your contributions will be greatly appreciated.
R neighborhoods are 1
1536 W. 25th St. #223
San Pedro CA 90732-4415
Bob is rich and his companies have money to fight for what he wants. His legal team is made up of some of the best lawyers and legal firms, anywhere.
There will come a time when R Neighborhoods Are 1 will need to hire lawyers to help in our fight to save OUR community. Legal fees are high and hiring attorneys is very expensive.
It is now time to begin a great effort in seeking contributions to hire lawyers on OUR behalf. I may be sometime before we need them to come on board, but the costs that will be incurred mean we cannot start soon enough, and now is the time.
R neighborhoods are 1
1536 W. 25th St. #223
San Pedro CA 90732-4415
According to the Web Master at www.rneighborhoodsare1.org, there will be links established for contributors to provide much needed funds via the Internet, on that site.
Blight:
Many individuals believe Bob Bisno has made deliberate attempts to make the Ponte Vista site more blighted in order to demonstrate, somehow, that he needs to improve the land.
Everyone driving along Western between Avenida Aprenda and P.V. Drive North, is stuck looking at a site that looks purposely blighted and destroyed.
How much vermin, varmints, and polluted water is on that site, now? How can the developer get away with causing such a site in OUR community.
What does the L.A. City Health Department and/or other City Departments think about the site?
Shouldn't Bob be required to eliminate all the blight and restore the area to the condition it was before anything was built there, so long ago?
The blight at Ponte Vista lowers home values of everyone living in the area, whether they live in San Pedro or R.P.V. Why should these residents be negatively impacted so that Bob can make it look like he "needs" to have new construction built at Ponte Vista?
It is time for residents along Fitness Drive, in The Gardens, down in the Westmont neighborhood, and folks living west of Western Avenue who have as their views the blighted Ponte Vista site, to individually and collectively call on Bob Bisno and the City of Los Angeles to do something about what is now seen at the site.
If Bob won't mitigate the blight, what makes anyone believe he will truly mitigate anything else?
Moving Forward: (What's Next)
We have had our chance to savor what many believe is a victory over Bob and his plans. It is true that the CAC surprised us all with their recommendations, and it looks like the majority of the members of the CAC are on the side of OUR community.
But we all must realize that there is still much to do. We need to continue to volunteer our time, money, thoughts, and efforts all the way through the many steps that still are in the future.
There are still many bumper stickers left and the button making process will continue. We are looking for real interest in folks who truly want yard signs. Even though the Steering Committee has decided to curtail, for the time being, buying any more yard signs, if folks really want them, I suggest they contact R Neighborhoods Are 1, or a Steering Committee member and let us know that it is important to OUR community to continue to provide yard signs.
Your added contributions could also support acquiring more yard signs.
R neighborhoods are 1
1536 W. 25th St. #223
San Pedro CA 90732-4415
Your Rudderless Steering Committee is becoming more involved in reaching out to other areas in the greater Los Angeles Area. Over development is not special to northwest San Pedro and there is a need for all of us to come together and fight developers, all over the area, who want to change how we live, work, and play.
Bob and his bunch have reached out all over the area and we also need to let our movement grow. Including others in our fight means we include ourselves in others' fight for THEIR communities.
As we spread our message, perhaps you have family members and friends fighting for THEIR communities. We need to let these wonderful people know that we want to include them in the greater struggles we are all having, against over development and quality of life issues.
It is not wrong to talk to others about shared problems. combining forces into a greater cause can't be wrong, and you know that.
Moving forward also means moving farther. Providing our message to more people in the desert that is Los Angeles also means that we will no longer be ignored as the community at the end of the world, as far as L.A. goes.
With the very thin strip of land that connects San Pedro to the rest of the City of L.A., San Pedro always seems to be the dangling end of something much bigger. San Pedro get shorted in so many way. Connecting people in other parts of Los Angeles means that we remove that little ribbon of land that separates San Pedro and OUR community from the rest of the area.
Moving forward also means that R Neighborhoods Are 1 should be taken very seriously by governments, politicians, bureaucrats, developers, and everyone else who thought we were just a "rabble" bunch of "ranting elitists".
You all have helped us greatly in stating to everyone that we are here, we are strong, and we will be listened to, no matter what Bob and all the B.s. (Bisno supporters) that surround him say.
Strength in numbers and strength in convictions says to everyone that our members do have a say in what happens in their lives and OUR community.
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